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    IDA 6.1 Leaked

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    Poor hex-rays guys...
    works so hard for you guys and yet, you spit in their face!
    you want it soo bad, buy it, such software deserves the support in the company just because it's a tool that helps you.
    but, well, I guess.. you can't please all
    "knowledge is now free at last, everything should be free from now on, enjoy knowledge and life and never work for everybody else"

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    What a ridiculous posturing!

    Since when did RCE start having feelings for Software Developers?

    Maybe you should ALSO ask Crackz to stop posting about Flexlm. After all, would you not say he also spits in the face of those guys by giving all their secrets. And Flexlm also deserves support. So does Arma. And SentinemLM. And all dongles. Heck, I bet all people on this board BOUGHT their legal copy of Winrar... (who the hell are we kidding). Then maybe Woodmann should shut down... can you IMAGINE how many programs were cracked because the knowledge was around?

    What a case of double standards. Stop kidding yourself B.

    I have no qualms cracking, using and abusing all the software I can find. Why all the sudden LOVE for developers?

    What next? ASKING PERMISSION OF SOFTWARE DEVELOPERS TO CRACK THEIR SOFTWARE BECAUSE IT HURTS THEIR FEELINGS? Golly! RCE *SURE* has come a long way... meh!

    Whatever the hell happened to the intrepid crackers? --- Is it just me or am I seeing more and more reversers making their residence in PUSSYLAND?

    Have Phun
    Last edited by Aimless; June 14th, 2011 at 07:26.
    Blame Microsoft, get l337 !!

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    as the days has passed ,, nothing has changed...
    more ppl use your product.. greater is a chance someone will crack it or rlz.. same goes for games, apps. usefull softwares.. everything.. ps3..

    . the demand is high.. and app is usefull.. no matter what they do.. it will alwasy be rlz (cracked) .. since there is interest for it.. and they better app gets more interest it will have

    the only problem i see .. it that programers have to make a lot of money before its get cracked.. or after that also.. how much money they lose.. no one can really estimate that .. everyone can only predict it....


    i work.. and i must honeslty say.. that app is too expensive for me especially since i reverse only for hobby . if i would have firm which would make money from computers i would surely buy it.. that is why i am actually happy that from time to time.. that my assernal of tools which i use a lot also get update.... even if that for free...

    and of course if the price of licence would be fairly lower....i would surely buy it.. not just that app but many more.. until that time..

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    Thumbs down

    1-> everyone can only predict it....
    2-> that app is too expensive for me especially since i reverse only for hobby.
    3-> of course if the price of licence would be fairly lower
    OH, COME ON!
    still the same silly arguments
    1-> ask to datarescue/hexrays the sales chart before and after a crack release: impact IS pretty visible, especialy for a niche software as IDA is. IDA sells few copies, photoshop sells many many. Crack effect is reduced with high numbers, not with lower ones.
    2-> You have older IDA for free, and it is STILL perfect even for very advanced jobs. Ilfak and Pierre did have a student pricing, you know? Then rich specialists asked asked for the very low student price ...since they were i.e. piano students -not kidding.
    3-> It has been proven by a number of studies (some private, some not) that pricing does not 'impact' the will of using crack. Even if IDA would cost 10$, you'd take the cracked one - why? Because $0 is much better than $10 - period. Let's leave excuses out..

    A->Since when did RCE start having feelings for Software Developers?
    B-> would you not say he also spits in the face of those guys Flexlm/Arma etc
    C->Why all the sudden LOVE for developers?
    I think Ben is referring to the fact we are talking of IDA Pro, in the specific case. If Ilfak does not gain enough, IDA wont grow up enough. And if you wonder things like 'companies will buy it original' my answer is... I saw with MY eyes a big company using some illegal licenses of IDA (incl. Hexrays decompiler ofc).
    It is a matter of respect for a software WE need to do RCE.

    An example of what could happen? Olly has no time to finish Olly 2. Imho rightfully, he doesnt care of giving away his project to others, and we are here waiting for a full olly2 (or at least a 1.10 that really, truly works with win64..).
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    I'd like to sit on the fence with this one whilst acknowledging everyone else's contribution / opinion.

    http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fsporaw.livejournal.com%2F88098.html

    The link above is an interesting point of view specifically related to IDA; it suggests that Ilfak's own restrictive sales policy is more of a problem than casual piracy. Of course you can also argue that it his choice to make as to who he sells too as well.....

    At the end; everyone has to make their own choice ;-).

    Regards,

    CrackZ.

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    Interesting article by sporaw .

    As for the other comments, shit gets cracked.
    If you have the ability to support the creator of a soft,
    then do so. I have done so many times.

    Woodmann
    Learn Or Die.

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    As Above

    AND,

    Finally working, thanks to UNIQUE.

    No .key yet. But it works.

    Hex-Rays is still 1.1

    Have Phun
    Blame Microsoft, get l337 !!

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    things havnt changed at all
    even the arrogance my program cant be cracked/is secure is still a often sayed thing the days

    good or evil ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless
    Since when did RCE start having feelings for Software Developers?
    [...]
    I have no qualms cracking, using and abusing all the software I can find. Why all the sudden LOVE for developers?

    What next? ASKING PERMISSION OF SOFTWARE DEVELOPERS TO CRACK THEIR SOFTWARE BECAUSE IT HURTS THEIR FEELINGS? Golly! RCE *SURE* has come a long way... meh!

    Whatever the hell happened to the intrepid crackers? --- Is it just me or am I seeing more and more reversers making their residence in PUSSYLAND?
    I agree! Nothing is more manly than sitting in front of a display all day long, typing on a keyboard. One can really smell the testosterone dripping from the sweating fingertips. What it takes to crack something is balls, not brains. It's an act of bravery.

    The problem with software is not those who use a pirated version for hobby, but that many companies stop buying the given software, even big companies. Not IDA, all software. I think most companies wouldn't have problems with free personal licenses if it wouldn't affect so badly their corporate sales.

    What I find surprising is not the pirating of software (which is unavoidable), but the rhetoric about it. All this rebellious tough-talking of the RCE underground almost never ends up in actually improving society or doing something selfless.

    I remember a friend of mine, a very famous cracker at the time, who cracked something very popular. He felt very bad when the developer of the cracked software told him how his crack made him go out of business.
    The same thing happened in similar ways to other friends of mine. People who could really brag today about their past but don't, because they feel bad about any possible damage they may have caused.
    This is the difference between many of the past generation and nowadays.

    While, such as any other field, even RCE had to lose its innocence and become 'like anything else', it could've maintained some moral dignity.

    That being said, I've always thought that those who can't afford a software should have it for free. I subscribe to the mentality of those who crack a software just for the challenge of it and then still buy its license if they can afford it and want to support it. But the reality is that for many small/medium businesses giving out free copies is like committing suicide (or mutilating themselves at least). I personally grew up in a country where 99,999% of IT companies which themselves sell software only use pirated one. As Maximus correctly stated, the effect of piracy is reduced by high numbers, so that those who really suffer the effects of piracy are only small fishes. These small fishes will, if necessary, look for a job at places like Microsoft, Google or other big IT places, because everybody needs to eat and pay rent. But I don't see that as a good thing.

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    "I remember a friend of mine, a very famous cracker at the time, who cracked something very popular. He felt very bad when the developer of the cracked software told him how his crack made him go out of business."

    I think I could name the cracker and the software in 2 guesses or less ;-).

    As for IDA itself, I'm not sure I'd categorise it as a *cracking challenge* in the purest sense, seeing as the biggest *challenge* would actually appear to be getting hold of a copy in the first place. Leaking ones own personal copy or stealing one doesn't strike me as being in the spirit of RCE. Now if someone actually managed to take apart ida.wll completely and relink it without all of the watermarks that would be worthy of praise.

    Regards,

    CrackZ.

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    Sounds like a challenge :-) cant join though..have to be a good boy now :-(

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    I don't think RCE ever begun as a means of improving society or doing something selfless.

    THAT, is the area of Open Source Movement.

    RCE was meant to break software. And use it for your own purposes.

    From a MORAL perspective, RCE itself is wrong. It sides with Chaos, not Order. The idea of SEEING somebody else's code (even for just "studying" purposes), and even in ASSEMBLY, is akin to copying at the exams. You're not MEANT to do that. You've been ASKED, PLEADED and THREATENED not to do that (hello disclaimers, hello licensing agreements). Does that stop you?

    Having a single product that is the best in the world, and THEREFORE should not be cracked is like saying that no one should scale EVEREST because it's the most majestic and the tallest. People have and will.

    In the above mentioned examples most of the old crackers felt bad for the companies they had destroyed because they DISTRIBUTED the cracks. Cracking, per se, did not force the company to go out of business. Finally, I see why you are on the edge. Now all those "moral-less bastards out there" get to use the latest version of IDA pro. You could be out of a job!!

    Daniel Pistelli, I hope you realize that my previous points are about, and the point that we ARE ALSO debating about, is the questionability of CRACKING the software, not DISSEMINATING the cracks, right?

    I am not interested in arguing about the moral ethics of software piracy, which is what I think you have got it confused with.

    Grow up, son. Read my previous posts again. Then, when you feel you've assimilated them completely, re-read them again.

    But seeing now that 6.1 IS released, what are you going to do son? Join google or microsoft? I mean, everybody's got to pay rent and eat right?

    Not that *I* see it as a good thing though.

    Say hello to Ilfak for me.

    Have Phun
    Last edited by Aimless; June 20th, 2011 at 09:37.
    Blame Microsoft, get l337 !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Pistelli View Post
    The problem with software is not those who use a pirated version for hobby, but that many companies stop buying the given software, even big companies. Not IDA, all software. I think most companies wouldn't have problems with free personal licenses if it wouldn't affect so badly their corporate sales.
    100 % for that

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    Aimless,

    what is it with all the stored aggression against people who want their software to be paid for? in their mind, it is economics / a business model.. are they not entitled for any sort of reward?
    do they have to sit all day long coding, improving, adding..etc so that you'll your free *cracked* copy? No, if they will stop because of that, than you can pretty much say good bye to your favorite reversing/analyzing tool IDA (or whatever)..

    So why not settle for IDA Free than? isn't that enough?
    "knowledge is now free at last, everything should be free from now on, enjoy knowledge and life and never work for everybody else"

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