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    Working as a reverse engineer

    I wonder how hard is to get a job as a reverse engineer, and I wanted to ask you if this is a hobby for you or do you have a job related to rce? and if you have a rce related job what qualifications your employers asked for?
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    see the job openings section on openrce's website forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by avixz View Post
    I wonder how hard is to get a job as a reverse engineer, and I wanted to ask you if this is a hobby for you or do you have a job related to rce? and if you have a rce related job what qualifications your employers asked for?
    There is a limited field of work for pure reverse engineering - AV and malware research, protection coding, systems integration etc. However I would guess that many jobs are "related" to RCE, for example penetration testers or security specialists would find significant benefits to having RCE skills, even if they weren't reversing code full-time. On that basis employers would look for field-centric qualifications (eg: CISSP) with reversing experience.

    Perhaps your question is better phrased by explaining what you're interested in and what your skill set is.

    But as I'm fortunate enough to be part of the Aristocracy, I've never had to do this thing you call "work" before. In fact my butler is typing this reply whilst I dictate.
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    @silver: so probably all your reverse engineering till today is also done by your butler This would also imply that you are no reverser. Am i right ?

    BTW I'm working as Reverse Engineer and i can confirm that it is not a simple task to get a 100% reverse engineering job. You need a lot of luck and the country you are living in is also important. I never gave up my dream once getting a job as a reverser and the time showed it. It was a damn good decision

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    my work is exploit writing, researcher, and is needed know reverse engeniering, is a posibility too for work.

    ricnar

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    Don't waste time on "hacker/reverse engineer certificates". From my exp. I can say that's the most important thing is to have good "portfolio" -- something (articles/code) that proves you have the required skill.

    Certificates in this field will give you a meaningless paper -- you can't learn RE in just few months.

    Btw., the "buy + for five dollars" thing makes me puke. +ORC must be turning in his grave :P
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    buy the + for 5 dollars? where?

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    ..."buy + for five dollars", morel??

    So do it, no? If it is so easy as you 'affirm'...

    About what you said, I found it's far far easier to get a 1st page cover on IT magazines than + challenges -only my opinion, of course.

    ...by personal experience, I mean.
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    Where? In his misinformed mind, of course!

    He probably thinks that people have to pay to try the new strainers or that they can directly "buy a + for 5$", like it was a t-shirt.
    The new strainers are free, just like the old ones were in +ORC's time.
    What a pukey concept! How immorel to do such a thing!

    When applying for any job, good basic reading skills are always a must!
    That's why even McDonalds asks for a high school degree as it certifies that you can read, write and count at a certain level.
    They don't ask you to prove your skills in an essay, they only want to see the diploma as it proves your skills instantly, like a 100% Pure Beef stamp.

    Usually, a college degree trumps a certification and a certification trumps a portfolio full of possibly plagiarized papers.
    What about a person with a certification and an equally good portfolio? Wouldn't it be better than a portfolio alone?
    If 2 persons with the same college degree apply for the same job, certifications set them apart. The one with certifications has more chances to get it.

    People coming fresh out of college are already 2-3 years behind on the technology.
    Often, reverse-engineering is not even part of college programs or is seen only very briefly
    Certifications are a way to stay up-to-date with the new trends and technologies without going back to college every few years.
    In computers, learning is a continuous process, what you learned 5-10 years ago may not apply anymore today.

    Many employers today still require that "useless" piece of paper, whether it is a degree or certification.
    Telling them that they are wrong during the interview is probably not a good idea.

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    So far, the Universe is winning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OHPen View Post
    @silver: so probably all your reverse engineering till today is also done by your butler This would also imply that you are no reverser. Am i right ?
    Yes, dammit. He does all the work, I steal all the glory
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    I was thinking about a "pure" reverse engineering job, I can only think of malware analyst, I guess industrial espionage is not a job description

    If I try to get a job as a malware analyst I'm sure they won't have a training course so between the jobs I could get which would be the most useful to end having a malware analyst job, penetration testing? I have a friend in a computer security company, maybe that would be a path to try

    I have pretty good reading skills :P besides good level of english use to be an advantage for us non natives, but those human resources guys give me the creeps
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    Industrial espionage IS a job description. Check out Jason Raber's bio here: http://recon.cx/2008/speakers.html#helikaon But I'd guess with 99% confidence that you have to have a high-level .gov security clearance, and perhaps Chinese language ability, to get it. As for getting a job in AV, my advice would be to analyze malware manually (get some off of http://www.offensivecomputing.net, or anywhere really) and publish the results on some legitimate site (say offensivecomputing itself).

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    Only time will give you the necessary reputation you need to enter the job. Before i switched to the reverse engineering career, i had more than 6 years "experince" in the scene. And really, in my application i applied as "Cracker & Reverse Engineer". I admitted that i had several years in a cracking groups and it was the right way. But to be honest, i really had a huge portion of luck. The company i work for is one of the biggest out but regarding the development & reverse engineering section the working atmosphere is more than familiar.
    Anyway collect some years of experience and then try the step, if you are not over 30. Only the time will show if it was a good decision

    OHPen
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    Quote Originally Posted by OHPen View Post
    if you are not over 30.
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    @Maximus: Maybe you missunderstood me. I just meant that it is very difficult to change from a standard computer related job, which has nothing to do with reversing to a pure reversing job, because you have nothing more than the promise that you are a good reverser (even if you have published articles and codesnippets, etc.). It will be quite difficult to persuade a potential employer that you are qualified enough.
    Thats why i mentioned the 30 years age border. The old you get the catchier it gets. Nothing more. I don't want to offent people over 30 yeare although I'm 28, lol.

    Regards,

    OHPen
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