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January 10th, 2007, 01:00
This is so totally off topic (hence the reason I'm posting in this part of the forum)...

So I've recently started frequenting another web board that focuses on reverse engineering interpersonal human relationships. This was posted there recently (details changed to protect the innocent) and I thought you guys might enjoy it --

Incidentally, Bob and I went to Burger King the other day. I mentioned that if you tell someone that they can get better at something, it doesn’t matter what it is, they will try it. Bob went up to Burger King, and ordered 3 ice creams. He instructed the lady to try and make each one bigger than the last one. The third ice-cream came out a foot tall, and she did it right in front of her manager. I think he helped. Bob rules, and so does free extra ice-cream.

Damn it I was going to make a post on this first. http://forums.seattlelair.org/images/smiles/icon_mad.gif lol

Alice was telling me if you challenge people they usually accept it. She told me how she used the words "challenge yourself" to get a really tall 99cent ice cream about a foot tall. This was a very interesting embedded command "challenge yourself". Actually its not even an embedded command just a command! I didn't think of it much at the time, but later realize that this one is pretty damn powerful!

So we were at the food court right infront of Burger King and Alice says you should give it a try. I couldn't resist this and went up to the employee. http://forums.seattlelair.org/images/smiles/icon_cool.gif

Me: I would like 3 ice cream cones.... the 99cent ones.
Employee: that will be ........
#finish making the first one.
Me: Challenge yourself (pause) make the tallest one you ever have.
#second one is done a bit taller.
Me: how do you say challenge yourself in Spanish?
Employee: desafío usted mismo
#yes I tooked up that translation for accuracy sake!
Me: desafío usted mismo
#the third one comes out about 3 times taller than the first one.

See picture below:

January 10th, 2007, 02:00

With regards to disavowed .

The third cone is not three times as large as the first one .

So now riddle me this....
Is this about what people "think" they can acheive OR,
Is this about what people "want" to "think" they can acheive

Would it not depend on the BK employee and/or would you need to give exact instructions.
It appears that if you ask for bigger you may very well bet bigger BUT,
We are talking about BK here.

Not everything is up to the employee's choice.
If I go out to dinner and request the 9oz steak but ask that the
server get me the biggest steak the house has for the same price,
do you think I would get it?

Lets put this into perspective...

If you dont ask, you will never know.

Now, here is the real tip/advice:
If you desire something that is not exactly the way you want it,
say something and see what happens.
If they say "no we can not do that", find someone who will.

You see a car you want to buy but the only color it comes in is purple.
You want lime green. Go and ask them for one that is lime green.

These are simple lessons in social engineering.
You would be very surprised by what you can gain if you just ask.

You purchase coffee the way you want it, why not everything else?

This may expand as a social engineering crackme.
Go and report back with your results, no matter how small.


January 10th, 2007, 12:01
[Originally Posted by Woodmann;63671]With regards to disavowed .
The third cone is not three times as large as the first one .

In case it wasn't clear, the "Me:" above is Bob, not me (disavowed), and the photo above is from Bob, not me (disavowed).

January 10th, 2007, 14:16
I have always been fascinated by how you can manipulate people by just using the right words or the right gestures... I actually would like to take some psychological courses in order to improve into this kind of things

January 10th, 2007, 21:36

Polaris, you have said it perfectly.

It is all about the words you use, your appearence AND

I interact with people all day long. They are either buying what I am selling or I am buying what they are selling.

In an effort to get the best deals/maximum profits, I use what I call the "shmooze" factor. Make them feel all warm and fuzzy, then go for what you want.


January 11th, 2007, 00:38
Damn. Too bad we don't rate getting "shmoozed" more often, but I guess it's in limited supply.

But we do love you anyway.

Warm Regards,

January 11th, 2007, 01:13

You know the shmooze factor better than anyone .


January 11th, 2007, 01:15

If I was willing to do more of it, I'd probably be rich. But I'm neither.