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Woodmann
June 22nd, 2009, 21:52
Howdy,

I have a DVD with a form of encryption that is not CSS.
The disk will only play on DVD players(AKA home players) or a box that has Roxio installed on it.

The disk itself cannot be copied. All you get is a black screen if you try to play it. All commercial ripper programs hang when they are started.

The disk has the standard ifo, vob and bup files.
It has the standard video_ts folder.
It also has a folder called opendvd. In that folder is a clickme.htm, untitled.dvd and opendvd.pvm files.

After some research I determined that roxio is the program that created the DVD.

The DVD has a generic title (it is not a regular, buy at the store or rent movie), 0709070900.iso.

No iso program recognizes it. So it must have been named with that extension for a reason ? (to prevent copying).

Yet stick it in the DVD player connected to the tv and the damn thing auto plays.

Since I cannot rip or copy the files, I need a way to figure out WTF is protecting this disk. I know for a fact that it is protected because the person who made it claimed it could not be ripped.

What I need is some video/dvd ripping gurus who have some skills outside of CSS that can suggest a way to determine what is protecting this disk.

I have no idea of what tools to use to even begin this adventure.

Any suggestions?

Oh, a copy of the disk is only $20.00. I dont care about the dollars.
Like all of you's, I need to know .

Woodmann

esther
June 23rd, 2009, 00:08
Howdy,
If you want to ripped to avi you can try avs video converter or Pazara free mp4

disavowed
June 23rd, 2009, 01:30
you might want to look around http://www.videohelp.com/ and http://www.doom9.org/

dELTA
June 23rd, 2009, 06:21
The fact that it plays in a "normal" DVD player is very curious indeed. Might it be the old "rootkit" DRM trick used by e.g. Sony earlier, i.e. that when you insert the disc into a (Windows) computer, it auto-installs drivers that will mess up any attempt to rip it (and that also hides the rootkit files from the disc from that point on)?

Have you tried to rip or play it from e.g. a Linux system? From that Linux system, also check to see if there is any autorun.ini-file or similar in the root of the disc, that is not visible from your Windows computer.

Sony seems to have a fancy protection systen for DVDs too:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARccOS_Protection

But this was not a Sony disc, right? I don't think they have "released" their protection system to anyone else.

sfeet
June 23rd, 2009, 16:39
This is a system called Roxio Opendvd.

Some information to get you started:

hxxp://forums.support.roxio.com/index.php?showtopic=26594

Woodmann
June 23rd, 2009, 21:51
Well...........

I will thank you all for your suggestions BUT, I have already discovered those things.

What I dont need is another ready made DVD tool or someone to search for me.

Heres what I "learned" today.
Dos= No
*nix= No

I know that Roxio(sonic) DVD Producer 1.0 is what burned the disk.
I know that I can rip all the files except the vob files.
I know that Roxio DVDit (new incarnation of DVD Producer) does include the ability to encrypt a disk. (adapted from DVD Producer 1.0)
I know that a hex editor hangs when I try to open any vob file.
I know that DVD Decrypter hangs with this error:"pack header not found 0x00000000".
I know that all the low level vob tools I can find dont work.
I know that all the DVD decrypting tools dont work.
I know that the file is named .iso and no iso prog will open it.

What I need:
A tool that can open any file (vob preferred) so I can see the structure of the vob and make changes.

Questions?

Woodmann

Addendum: I did not search the directory's while playing in Linux.
I will try to get to it tomorrow.

Kayaker
June 23rd, 2009, 22:34
Quote:
[Originally Posted by Woodmann;81295]
A tool that can open any file (vob preferred) so I can see the structure of the vob and make changes.


I know not of which I speak, but..

"VOB files are Basicly just Mpeg2 files"

http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/108963
http://www.afterdawn.com/glossary/terms/vob.cfm


So, if you can view/modify mpeg2...

010 Editor has binary templates for several formats. While they don't have one specifically for mpeg2 (unless you can find one), there is one for mp3 which has in its source:

// MPEG frames support:
// * MPEG-1, MPEG-2

Maybe you can glean something from 010 editor or the mpeg2-not-vob format approach?

sfeet
June 24th, 2009, 16:03
So why not post the same question to doom9 forums? That is the best place to ask anything about decrypting dvd's.

Woodmann
June 24th, 2009, 20:14
Howdy,

I shall try the 010 prog then its off to the doom9 forums.

Thanks, Woodmann

A follow up, 010 works kind of. It will scan the vob's that are not encrypted.
Of course that doesnt help me but at least I know it works better than anything else.

Doom9's forum posting rules are pretty lame.
I have to wait 5 days before I can reply or post.

I think they should include that nifty little tidbit on their registration page.
"BTW, you have to wait 5 days to post or reply".

The captcha in the registration and verification email is not enough?

Seriously lame.

disavowed
June 26th, 2009, 00:33
you might want to try using cdrwin on it to glean some more information regarding the tracks and raw data layout on the disc

Woodmann
June 26th, 2009, 20:27
Thanks disa, I will check that out.

I am getting closer. I did manage to rip the video but there are still some problems. (most likely related to encryption).

The video will play but there are assorted problems that I will disclose later.

When this is all over I will write a document called "The REAL guide on how to rip ANY dvd".

Woodmann

evaluator
June 27th, 2009, 07:31
cmon
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Woodmann
June 27th, 2009, 19:58
Howdy,

Heres your guide to rip any dvd.

Rip it with the protection intact .

Use MagicISO to rip and burn. Use WinRAR to extract.
Run VTS_01_1 or whichever is the first vob that has all the info.

I played it with Windows Media Player V9.

On the todo list: Make it playable in any DVD player.

Woodmann

owl
July 2nd, 2009, 09:03
It sounds you may have already figure out. For future reference, cdfreaks forum is a good place to check. I know there are tools that will scan the cd and let you know the ecryption used. I don't recall what I used, was a long time ago, however, I know I got the info from that forum.

evaluator
July 4th, 2009, 13:45
Don Wooma,
>>Use WinRAR to extract.
means: extract from ISO-image!?

otherwise great tut0r ~

Woodmann
July 4th, 2009, 19:26
Yep,

Extract the data from the ISO.

SiGiNT
July 28th, 2009, 12:00
Well,

Was it installing a driver that prevented you from ripping it normally or was it pure encryption??? - for the people with short memories, the trick to prevent the "rootkit" installation was to disable autoplay by holding down the shift key while inserting the disk, holding it down until spin-down.

SiGiNT

Woodmann
July 28th, 2009, 18:32
Hi SiG,

The only way it would autoplay was if you had software from Sonic/Roxio.

The best I can figure is the people who burned the disk used some non standard/proprietary protection that came with Sonic Producer.

If I decide to revisit that cluster Fuck, I will post some updates.

Now, should I delve into the 7 days of hell I went through to get Vista off this new computer and XP on it?

Woodmann

SiGiNT
July 28th, 2009, 20:02
Been there done that on my Gateway Athlon Quad core - biggest problem was finding the NIC driver but it took about 7 days like your experience - I was smart(?) about it I pulled the 500 gig Vista infected drive and installed XP Pro on a clean drive, anytime I want to punish myself I can unplug the XP drive and plug in the Vista drive - or just use this notebook I'm on now - I don't even want to think about "downgrading" this one - however I soon will have Win 7 - I'll probably do that to this one, why anyone would sell a computer with a 64 bit OS to the general public truly astounds me.

SiGiNT

Woodmann
July 28th, 2009, 20:30
I shall start a new thread tomorrow regarding the difficulties I had in cleansing this notebook of the Vista virus(the OS, not a real virus) and installing XP.

In the long run/hindsight, it really wasnt that tough. It was the learning curve that took longer than expected.

Woodmann